Adams A12 19 - Fuji HB 80X, PXG 0311X 4 - HZRDUS Red 105 X I just switched from Wilson Ci9 to Taylormade TP MC, and Ive gained almost 15 yards despite the lofts being higher. I should have made the same swing with a 9 iron, to compensate for the lie, but did not.". There is no question that golf is one of the hardest, if not the hardest, games in which to become reasonably proficient. If the club has an abundance of bounce and/or a rounded leading edge, reducing bounce by 2* might not matter. It would decrease the bounce on each club, not a good idea, as well as it would cause the ball to go farther. If you really want to improve your golf, you must define where you are losing the most strokes and start there. Powered by Invision Community. Yes, the T200 can be bent 2 degrees flat and beyond 2 degrees upright Titleist manufactures heads 2 degrees upright which can be bent up to a further 2 degrees i.e up to 4 degrees from standard Please sign in to comment TUser January 21, 2020 at 08:09 AM Along the same lines, I got my new T200 irons late last year. Much of Harrison Endycotts claims were covered in the2023 Players To Followlist, but the summary is worth repeating to justify his selection this week. A golf club can be bent two degrees flat when the lie angle is lowered and the heel of the club is raised to a position that is higher than the toe of the club. Privacy Policy Keep the loft the same and take an extra club for the shot. * MD4 54/10 S-Grind replacedMD3 54/12 W-Grind. When looking for clubs that fit your game, a professional club fitter will look at these factors down below to determine what their lie angle should be: I know this concept can be confusing, especially if you have never been fit for golf clubs before. If you're a true picker, wont make you a digger. Are their ways to ensure a club wont break? It depends on several factors including as mentioned above how steep your swing is and if you are a "digger" or "picker". Seriously. Clamp the piece of angle iron into the vise. Using like say an Older Macgregor blade butter knife with a thin sharp leading edge on the sole if you deloft more than 1 degree or so you have a chance of digging to China. I even fitted a customer with a new SLDR and put him in a 12 degree head with a TP shaft. But what about the mid and low irons, yes I understand some companies make 6/7 hybrids (7 and up is very rare), but you can not really replace an 8 iron with a true hybrid. well unfortunately people buy clubs based on their ego and the club manufactures feed it. OP, which is it you are asking about.. making a club 2* stronger or increasing loft? What to consider when bending golf clubs. Bending strong 2* decreases bounce by 2* and increases offset by about .75mm. 50*, 54* bent to 55* and 60*, Putter- Taylormade Spider Tour w/ flow neck The simple fact is that good golf cannot be played with a bad grip on the club. I am 2 handicap, playing Scottish Links golf, smooth tempo, 80-90mph, pretty straight flight, shallow divot. Would bending it serve the same result? The bounce on irons is pretty much a non starter in my opinion. How will that affect it though? I haven't built them yet, i was wondering if the results are still working out a year or so later? To do this, simply Google, Golf Club Fitters Near Me and you will get a great list of places that will make sure you are playing the right lie angle for your game. Pasted as rich text. Upload or insert images from URL. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. If its putting or greenside scoring, spend your time working on those aspects instead of beating balls on the range. Training Aids, GPS Devices, Apps, Accessories & More. Wedges: Dynacraft Dual Millled 52*, SteelFiber i125 S -or-Scratch 8620 DD 53*, SteelFiber i125 S; PM Grind 19 58* -or-Wilson Staff PMP 58*, Dynamic S -or- Ram TW282 SW -or- Ram TW276 SW Titleist Response to USGA / R&A Distance Insights, Bending 716MB irons 1 or 2 degrees strong. Generally though as you decrease theloft of a club by one degree, you reduce its bounce a degree at the same time and if you increase the loft by one degree you increase the bounce by a degree. 1 for 1, loft for bounce. On GI long irons vs players irons have different width soles, are the effects of bounce differ between the two if the loft is a degree stronger? What bounce does is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. Mr Divots, good point on the higher swing speeds, but like anything else we still see higher speed guys still launch the ball too low, it just is not as common as the low swing speed player. Played a mp30 2i for most of the year as a gap from my 3i to my 3 wood. Like you said, it will change the bounce but other than that, it wont change much and shouldnt effect the playability of the club unless you are really steep and need the bounce. Display as a link instead, While you might prefer the overlap, interlock or full-finger style, the hold on the golf club is pretty much the same the upper portion of the grip has to be under the pad of the upper hand and held more in the fingers than the palm of both hands. As you watch PGA or LPGA golf, you will see very little personalization to this basic fundamental. That said, people will usually launch clubs higher with a longer shaft length as well, (mechanical advantage/physics) so again, it kind of goes hand in hand with the stronger lofts. On the opposite and gapping from AW to 9i is very wide about 16 yards about between clubs. And you are right about the irons listed, X Hot is a shockingly low launching iron and the G25 would be the exact opposite, with Rocketbladez mixed in the middle. Pros and cons? What amazes me the most is how many golfers will continually spend thousands of dollars on golf equipment but never take the initiative to change those fundamental things that will help them really improve their skills and abilities. I was wondering if bending my irons 1 to 2 degrees strong at a golf shop will change the playability of the 712 AP2s. If you're after a driving iron, I would expect you to use it off the tee for the most part. Worked very well IMO in terms of reducing spin You will need to check your distances with these gapped lofts. The basic fundamentals of striking a golf ball have not changed nearly as much as golf club technology, and those fundamentals have their roots dating back a hundred years to Bobby Jones and his peers or even further. What bouncedoes is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. Since clubs are bent with iron bars by applying pressure on. Good point. I have plenty of X-flex swing speed and don't need the high launch (that just kills me in headwinds), but like the forgiveness on mishits. I have mine bent 2 degrees strong and cannot see any visible difference. (others have mentioned) I went to GG with my pops and hit the speedblade 9i for sheets and was hitting them 165-170why? It flies lower and that is about it. So the assumption is that the loft alone is what is creating more distance with the new irons. (I ran into this today.) That said, no equipment can make up for poor fundamentals in your approach to moving a golf ball around three to four miles of real estate in the least number of strokes. I think it depends on the player and his swing. I know some pros naturally hit it higher, and some lower. In turn creating around 12 more yds. SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerLW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerXW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger steppedPutter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. You cannot paste images directly. Club Repair Seminar shows golfers the importance of checking the specs.. How accurate are the loft and lie readings of clubs straight from the manufacturer? Ping Redwood Anser- the "real deal!". Thanks for everybody for your help! I reckon for every 1 degree off it takes about 250 off the spin. "so, any advice, I keep air mailing greens with my PW from 140, this is really hurting my score. Bending strong 2* decreases bounce by 2* and increases offset by about .75mm. It would increase if you added loft. See below the make percentage for an average golfer from varying distances. Each one of those sees him rightly disputing the market number one, but Im not sure I can get involved at around 20-25-to-one with any of the favourites, even if they hold excellent claims. You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. The ball came out much higher and shorter, just like you would expect from a 63*. The Topgolf Blue Flag Challenge: Can you go 5-for-5 from 155 yards? Manage your expectations, dont expect to hit every shot close, Make smarter club choices based off the above, Be sensible: The middle of the green is a GREAT place to be, The average golfer will get up and down from a bunker, 1 out of 5 times, The average golfer manages to get up and down around 1 in 3 times, Short game shots from the fairway have the highest success rate. GolfWRX_Official But, as lofts are strengthened the gaps become compressed on the long end and widened on the short. I completely agree with this! First, is it safe to have P790s bent that much? But when I show them the results on golf radar, which can be as much as 5-to-10 yards more carry distance, they start to get it. Please contact Patrick Gallagher at 800-437-1314 or email patrick@mitchellgolf.com. What the heck are they were talking about? From my research into various golfer communities, it is highly likely that if you are reading this blog post you probably are playing to somewhere between a 5 and 16 handicap. It will reduce the bounce of the club, but the actual effect will depend on your swing path. Todays golf ball travels farther than ever before and I dont see any need to jack up the short iron lofts. In 11 starts since gaining his place at the top level, the 26-year-old has made four cuts, including a first-time-out 12th at the Fortinet, 10th in Bermuda (led after a first round 62), 22nd at the American Express 7th after day one) and top-30 at the Plantation Course last week. Hope I did not complicate this any and maybe helped you, Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex---- 3 wood TM V-Steel Aldila 65G R Flex 15*--- 7 Wood TM V-Steel UST Pro Force 65 R flex 21*---- 9 wood TM V-Steel stock MAS Stiff shaft 24*--- Irons 4 thru 9 Mac Muirfield TT black label --- PW Vokey SM-4 51* stock shaft--- SW Vokey SM 5 L grind 58* stock shaft--- Putter -- Rusty Scotty Santa Fe fluted Bulls Eye shaft---. In addition, once a club is bent to a given specification, it will stay there until changed by an outside force of either bending again or striking a hard object. Thanks everybody for the help! When this happens, its usually the result of some type of inconsistency in the metallurgy of the club. Grant is a big-hitter off the tee, his driving distance ranking being fourth at Bermuda, 16th at the RSM and third at Pebble Beach, whilst he ranked highly for both his driving and greens during his KFT campaign. It is a lot easier to find what lie angle you need in your golf clubs and purchase a set rather than have to individually bend each club. Guess I dont get it. Bending irons 2 degrees stronger gopher99 May 9, 2021 May 9, 2021 Thread starter #1 G gopher99 Active member Joined Mar 15, 2019 Messages 233 Hi, i need some info from the more knowledgeable people on here than myself, I would like to bend my mizuno 921 forged irons 2 degrees stronger to fit in with the gapping on my wedges. I have a 2 iron bent 2 strong to 16. The bounce on the 3-iron is already 0 degrees, so will bending the club for a stronger loft make the bounce go negative? By Greyson P. I just purchase a great used 712 AP2 set. pic.twitter.com/dNhfPEcR4F https://t.co/Talvwe7Kng. You can post now and register later. Driver: Cobra Amp Cell Pro (8.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila RIP Phenom 3-wood: Titleist 906F4 (13.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila NV 7-wood: Michael Hopper whats in the bag accurate as of the WM Phoenix Open. 00bolt, September 12, 2016 in WRX Club Techs. Copyright 2023 Mitchell Golf Equipment Company. I am now thinking I am just going to bend my 712 Ap2 irons to the 714 AP2 specs so my gaps will match up better with my wedges. I'm guessing it will dig more but how much more? I realize this can be affected by angle of attack, swing speed, iron/shaft design, and ball design. "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." My name is Justin and I am a PGA Golf Professional. You get to replace the 4 iron thats gone with something you can get in the air. Most people won't hit a 2 iron off the fairway though, so they probably won't take a divot at all As far as bounce goes, do you really think a club going 100 mph is going to be affected by 2 less of bounce? Just curious but, can I bend a set of titleist cb718 to the titleist ap2 718 specs? 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, Fitness, maximum efficiency for the time spent. Its ball speed not loft that is increasing distance. I have read that it can create "diggers" is this true? Editors note: This article is in collaboration with Shot Scope. Clear editor. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Titleist AP3 3 iron 2 degrees strong AMT black stiff shaft at the best online prices at eBay! Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth it, especially if you already take a divot. What do you mean about not seeing any changes in your irons? Plus, those superlight steel shafts in the 85-90 gram range feel like a softer flex than what is listed, probably due to the thinner steel in the shaft. Or Ping Glide Stealth, 54,58 SS. My old callway x forged dug more than my bent mp-4's. Not only does it mess with the bounce/offset, but it's only a number on the sole if the club. The 2-degree limit is only recommended when changing the lofts on irons due to the potential effect such bends will have on the sole angle of the club. However, in reality it was now a 63* wedge so what happened. Bending 2* strong will increase the clubs digging tendencies. The Ever Changing Bag! So I changed my swing to compress the ball better instead, and just took extra club and swing easy. About time someone who knows what theyre talking about said what the the real deal is with loft and modern clubs. I dont want the extra length added to the shaft plus the x7 2i shaft I have for it is the last x7 shaft i have. We're not robotic enough to predict that exactly 3 or 4 degrees is the correct gap empirically. Theyre selling the clubs by saying that you will hit them longer, yet like you said, many of those whod need the help arent really hitting at least the longer irons any longer. Will bending irons 2 degrees strong promote more of a draw ball flight? If you bend lie, you will effect swingweight. Then if your wedge gaps are off you might tweak them a degree. Ball speed from the new irons is what is creating the distance. Here is a quick list of scenarios that might mean that you need to use a flatter lie angle in your clubs: On the flip side, here is a list of situations that might require you to get a more upright lie angle: The best way to get your loft and lie adjusted is by a professional club fitter. 5 Testers Needed! Approach play is the area of the game that leaves a lot to be desired amongst all levels of amateur golfers. One good example comes to mind. So what makes 15-16 and 6000 RPM ideal? So it doesnt matter to me what loft a golfers 6 iron is, as long as that loft allows a golfer to launch and spin the ball in a way thats ideal for their swing. Does that create the maximum distance for that ball speed? And its one of only two elements of the golf swing that require absolutely no physical skills. They wont question a fitter who recommends that they switch to a 10.5-degree driver instead of an 8.5 or 9.5, because those are established as acceptable driver lofts. A flat lie angle is simply when the heel of the golf club is bent so it is higher than the toe. TaylorMade M1 15* Tensei CK Pro White 80X or Great answer Blake. I play high bounce Ping G30's and have bent some of the clubs in that set that strong. The market is fascinating this week, with world number 376 Andrew Novak leading the field. The average golfer hits 48 percent of fairways. Uneven lies can vary more than an inch, and based on club geometry that is 1.6* right there, and I can't say I had much effect on the playability of the club. A standard golf shop, or fitting center will be able to do this. Will the clubs dig more or enough to tell a difference? I know my distances with the Ping set too well and I dont want to go through a whole season of trial-and-error with new irons, so would it make sense to have my new Mizuno irons bent to the old Ping specs? More than likely you will hit the ball a bit farther as well, potentially close to 1/2 a club. Assuming you are not altering the trajectory due to the conditions. More ball speed helps them keep the ball in the air longer, which raises their maximum height. I have to explain that the design allows the iron to have a stronger loft. We dont stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.. What I was hoping from this article was proof for that a current 46* MB/CB PW doesnt go any further than the 47/48* PWs of the past. As far as lofts for amateurs go, I feel like long irons have to little difference between them. This happens probably most frequently with wedges, when a person wants to play 3 instead of 4 wedges for example. Since loft and bounce is connected, and cant be split no matter what we do. Not fact but I do think more offset makes it easier to draw the ball. Hoofer, Ecco, Bushnell I do know a typical modern club the PW has the loft of like an older blade 8 iron. Custom Edel E-3 Putter, More than likely you will hit the ball a bit farther as well, potentially close to 1/2 a club. By setting up with the ball 1" farther back in your stance, and all other things being exactly the same you are delofting the club by 1.6* based on the average length club.. Usually weak, but occasionally strong, and if done intelligently where you don't hurt the clubs playability it's no big deal. But loft is a much more important factor in fitting. 4-AW with juiced lofts is the same set as an old 3-PW that would probably be 22*-48*. Another point regarding GI/SGI clubs that I would love to see a fitter touch on is shaft length. Ping G425 Max 10.5 - Ventus Black 6X or G425 LST Ventus - Black 7X, Ping G425 Max 14.5 - Ventus Blue 7X I was 50 yards out on the 3rd hole, and was in the moguls. This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. weight removed), Ball:1. If you want to simply hit the ball further, find an iron that launches really high and spins really low, you will knuckle ball the shot a long ways, but odds are you will not be able to control yardages or stop the ball under most conditions. But Im not sure whats being accomplished with weakening irons. I've had plenty of clubs bent a degree or two and never had an issue with how the clubs performed, even a wedge. The decision wasn't about distance it was about gapping. Your link has been automatically embedded. When you make the club loft stronger you decrease loft, when you make it weaker you increase the loft. Callaway MD 2 58 [size=4]KBS 610 S+[/size] Still have questions? This is especially true of clubs made with long hosels. What does the average golfer look like? Well break down what the average golfer (male golfer) looks like and offers data that can be used to benchmark your game against. Or, is the bounce all the same? Generally bending lofts on irons unless you are tweaking them to even out a gap. 2023 Acushnet Company. I know its different for each golfer depending on their individual characteristics but do you have rough numbers (for iron set) to be looking for in terms of launch angle, spin rate etc. Strengthening loft also increases the offset of the head. That would depend on what GI head design you have and to be quite honest the only way to be sure would be to test these irons on a golf radar. Low bounce irons can become more digging prone from this change. There only seems to be one logical reason to do this and thats just in the odd situation where someone needs more bounce. You cannot paste images directly. I bent them 4 degrees strong to keep my flight down as I hit moon balls with my X700 shafts hardstepped X3 ", Ping G400 Testing G410. . Loft and lie changes are more or less permanent. Its taking up to 2 degrees off each iron. If anyone thought the Honda Classic had a below-par field, dont show them this weeks Puerto Rico Open. It is amazing how much higher/lower similar irons can perform, in terms of player level. You must log in or register to reply here. Cleveland RTX4 50, 54, 58 VokeySM6 Raw- 50F, Scotty Cameron X5R Flow Neck Torched Finish. Even the most skilled repair professionals can occasionally break a club. DO NOT SEND PMs WITH CLUB TECH QUESTIONS - USE THE PUBLIC FORUM. By The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. The so-called "standard" lie angles are 9 iron at 64* with a spacing of 1 deg between clubs. The golfwrx wannabe touring pros will argue otherwise.. After reading the headline I was expecting a slightly different subject discussed but this topic is something Ive been wondering about myself. Thank you for such an eye opening article. So if you have the time, watch this cool video that I really like explaining how important lie angle is for your golf game: Having and knowing the correct lie angle of your clubs will be a game changer, I promise! Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth . A good tune-up is a good tune-up regardless of the final loft gaps. May 23, 2016 at 04:54 PM. In some cases "craftsman's" marks on the hosels may result from bending them to the required loft / lie. The main reason it is done on GolfWRX is so people can brag how far they hit their irons, generally with a passive brag. Yes, it is possible to bend the irons 1-2 degrees stronger, but by doing so you would be reducing the effective bounce on the clubs. :-). The GI/SGI clubs are basically directed to help players with lesser abilities to hit the golf ball, usually that also means lower swing speeds. OK, quick question. I'm fascinated by your basis for changing the lofts? A 4 iron only has 1 degree of bounce standard so will I have negative bounce when bent two degrees strong? Arnold Palmer Invitational 2023 (*** NO LIV DISCUSSIONS/REFERENCES ***), Custom Ping i230 5-UW KBS Tour R+ Power Spec, G425 3 wood with GD TP, Ping Kaili Shaft,King Tec Hybrid, Jaws Raw & Zipcore Wedge, Airmax 97, Apex UW. database of over 140,000 golfers and in excess of 250 million shots recorded using performance tracking products such as the unique. 4-6 more yards (depending on club and swing speed) and lower launch with less bounce. The difference after they were set to factory lofts and lie for my swing was amazing! The question is, again, Do you really want to get better at golf?. All rights reserved. Your 4i and 5i will tend to get more rollout than the higher # irons, hence the 3* loft gaps. Required fields are marked *. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. You are also all correct in that it is a long iron. "If you have any doubt about the hand position, think of this scenario. Hi Greyson, Bending your irons strong will reduce the bounce of the club. Driver: GolfWRX is on the ground in Orlando ahead of the 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational at Bay Hill Club & Lodge. Hes learned nothing Olympic legend launches scathing attack on Tiger Woods over tampon apology, Golf fans left bemused following bizarre Jim Nantz blunder, Best driver 2023: Expert club fitters recommend the best driver for your swing speed, An UP-CLOSE look at Tiger Woods famous Scotty Cameron putter, David Feherty ridiculed for Greg Norman comment during LIV broadcast, Tour pro says LIV would be done if Brooks Koepka returned to PGA Tour, TOUR REPORT: McIlroy switches drivers during Genesis Invitational (plus Tigers iron change). Ping G425 5 wood & hybrid Whether its changing the lie to improve accuracy or changing loft to make sure that the players clubs are progressively consistent, angle bending is a major factor in club performance. 716 MB'S It sorts my gapping out perfectly as a result. This puts a 5 iron at 60* and that is way too flat for most people. Here are common ball flight issues if you are playing the wrong lie angle: Unfortunately, club manufacturing companies sometimes use different lie angles for their clubs. Where Can You Get Your Lie Angle Adjusted, Should You Use Heavier Shafts in Wedges? The concern is that all the fitting carts only have 6 irons and with the gaping on the 3, 4 and 5 irons lonely being 3* I am concerned on irons would react to my adjustments. 3" = 4.6* and 6" = 9.2* change in loft. This feels like an anyone week the back-nine on Sunday could be fun. You may have heard golfers talk about how they need to use a flatter club or that they need to change their lie angle. Paste as plain text instead, Are you above or below average for some or all of these statistics? But they will still land on the green as soft as an older set of irons (if not softer). Iwas wondering if I could bend my 712 AP2 irons strong and not see any changes in the irons. If they are not bent properly you can change the lie fairly easily unintentionally. Yes for that particular Ball Speed, the ball can not carry any further with a better stopping power than with those conditions. Hybrid: Cobra King Tec 2h, MMT 80 S -or- TEE CBX 17*, HZRDUS 85 6.0, 2 iron: Mizuno MP-20 HMB, Steelfiber i95 S, 39.5", Irons grab bag: 1-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S; 1-PW Golden Ram TW282, RIP Tour 115 R; 3-AW Pinhawk Vertex irons, Apollo std stepped S So, I am now waiting for a major brand to market and advertise that their new, weaker lofts will add distance for most golfers. Tiger Woods plays his irons in weaker lofts and he doesnt seem to have any distance issues! Fairway Metal- Taylormade SLDR Mini Driver 12* w/ Fujikura Rombax TP95-X", Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions), Irons- Mizuno MP- FLI HI 2i w/ Aldila Proto ByYou 100X Another reason why stronger lofts dont always mean more distance is something I do frequently to help golfers hit the ball farther weaken lofts. I draw the ball naturally so I dont want too much offset on the clubs, I think it will be easier if I just go and get some wedges to sort out the gapping issue. But bending an iron weak is not as well understood by many golfers, so they are more hesitant.

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