with #2 Lyman duplicate. Ammunition is available everywhere handguns are legal. The Lyman is handy for sizing or priming while youre watching a movie. Only the Model 60 sometimes have factory installed grips that are not worthless. He loves this gun and keeps it in reach 24/7. WAP, WMR, WSF, WSL, 760, 748, 231 and 540 are products of Winchester, Components Div. 7.8 gr Blue Dot 1,170 fps 1.43" Fed 100 Alliant Suggested starting load: 7.0 gr Pressure: 15,700 4.5 gr Bullseye 1,085 fps 1.43" Fed 100 Alliant Suggested starting load: 4.1 gr Pressure: 14,900 Load it like Trail Boss. Ready to load some Berry's148 gr plated DE wadcutters with Bullseye. The same volume of BE will weigh much more than than same volume of WST. Softer alloys of lead are just easier on the machinery. Ive been shooting them for 50 years. Everyone here who has tried plated bullets including myself, have had disappointing results in accuracy. Powder Bul Weight C.O.L. VihtaVuori Oy Company, reloading booklet (1995) Numerous magazine articles on reloading special calibers and personal loads where noted. Case life is excellent, especially for mild loads. These are light and easy to shoot. It seems to burn completely in the .38 and is not as critical as the faster powders like Bullseye. (bullseyeforum.net). While I wish I could carry a 5 .45 WITNESS with several 10 round mags, as a senior citizen, the S&W J frame is my user friendly alternate. It would have been too hot. Or does the CMP make the rules for DR, and the NRA admins it? I have loaded wadcutters for plinking , Double end 148 grain,, mixed brass over 2.7 gn WST or Bullseye. Groups with these loads ranged from 1.25 inches to just under two inches at 25 yards across a handful of pistols. 110gr JHP! It is easy to load in progressive presses and has commercially available options from virtually all modern manufacturers. If I get to see him shoot those loads, it would be worth the price of a new keyboard! Insufficient crimping ) ARCHIVED. Most of these are at the upper end. Allgoodhits Posts : 726 Join date : 2017-09-17 Location : Northern Virginia Like For best accuracy in slow fire shooting, you may want to raise gun before every shot. I probably shoot more 38s than everything else put together but a Dillon 750 makes loading a lot faster. In my time spent with the .38, I have come to greatly appreciate it for what it is and does. I estimate that the price for each of the three loads runs between $7 and $8 per box of 50. Replaced w/ Altamont laminated wood, and later w/ open- back Pachmayrs- the less-pronounced finger grooves fit me better. But for plinking, they'd be fine. Their biggest use is in making screws and small bolts. Hornady I agree, an airweight has snappy recoil. Hodgdon gives starting load of 4.0 grains and 4.4 grains MAX. DR loads (158gr Remington swaged LSWC over 3.6gr AA#2 in Winchester .38 Special cases) I shoot American eagle, remington factory,remington umc, and mag tech. Hodgdon's Basic Reloading Manual, (The free one, available for the asking. Load with 38 S&W data. My hand ached for a week. The gun has appeared on TTAG before and has remained unchanged as far as accessories. Jack it up a notch and go with .327 Federal Magnum. .38 Special is a lot more comfortable in a service size revolver like my Model 10. I cannot begin to fathom shooting 20,000 rounds out of that revolver! The Model 19 is fine with .38s but mildly uncomfortable with .357s. Content . I am aware of the plated bullet limitations on BE accuracy and am more interested in them for their "plinkability". That revolver is aluminum and cannot handle the pressure of 9MM. Note: More and more test are conducted with all rounds fired with powder UP against the primer for each shot, or DOWN on the bullet for each shot, then gently bring to horizontal to shoot. Loath and Loathe are different words that mean different things. : 1,266 1,472 Press. I meant to say NRA. In fact, Hornady's handloading manual includes .357-inch bullets in the load data for the .38 Super, specifically 125-grain and 140-grain XTP bullets, along with .355-inch bullets, and their one remaining .356-inch bullet, the 125-grain HAP. I really enjoy Trail Boss and use it extensively for plain lead and plated bullets. These are hand loads.. load data was published in Lyman 50th edition.. Hornady Here is the dillema: The Lyman manual says starting load is 3.2 grains and MAX. I never enjoyed touching off a 357 Mag in a K frame, and I cannot imagine the discomfort of firing it in anything smaller or lighter. So it is my gut feeling that Winchester found it to be touchy in smaller calibers like 38 special and 9mm Luger. The 158 gr cast plain base accuracy load was 4.0 gr 231 which gave 837 Fps and 15,900 psi. Thanks for your help. Hmm. Thanks for the excellent article, Josh! of Bullseye with Lee's 125gr RN mold in a 38 special with so-so accuracy. .38 will take care of nearly any critter that needs dispatching feral cats, raccoon, armadillo, even wait for it. Thanks to all for the info. I think you will find since the .38 special is headspaced on the rim your case length is very important to achieve your best accuracy. Thanks for the start load Power Pistol will run lower pressures for the same velocity than W-W 231. 38 Special 125 gr XTP American Gunner Item #90324 | 25/Box The American Gunner line of ammunition is a collection of tried-and-true, versatile loads that are popular with shooters for their target shooting, hunting or self-defense needs. The cold header swages a bullet in one or two strokes. in a belt holster at 4:00. And I still think a 158 at 600 beats hell out of a 22 magnum of any stripe. Re: 38 special loads by GrumpyOldMan 11/10/2013, 4:23 pm IIRC, the NRA Action Pistol power floor is a "factor" of 125, which requires a full 1,000 fps for 125-gr bullets. Eventually somebody introduced me to tungsten carbide resizing dies, after which case life became near indefinite. The flyers tend to be severe. I went to the grocery store to buy a loath of bread.. Handload: 158 grain round nose lead /3.8 grains Bullseye MV 775 fps ME 210 ft./lbs. It will then fit in your 38 Special gun. He has taught and been responsible for numerous advanced skills and weapons courses within multiple organizations. I have a long way to go before I'm ready to compete, but enjoy plinking and hand loading. Last time we took it to the range, I was trying to cycle the old +P ammo to load standard Lehigh ammo, I fired one shot, put the gun down and cursed while shaking my hand. Initially I shot them out of my Dads prized Smith & Wesson 686 and learned a great deal about double-action shooting and what a truly accurate handgun can do with a wadcutter. The majority of my shooting with .38 has taken place with soft lead bullets. Wow I learned something vital from this topic. A revolver shooting .38 SPL only requires the power of your finger to make it fire and can thus be loaded with ammo that is extremely mild or hotter than hot. Very forgiving with a straight wall case, and tons of bullet variety. It doesnt appear like there is much of an advantage in using WST with lighter weight bullets. 4.0 gr. IIRC, I used 4.5 gr of Bullseye under a 125 gr lead bullet for a light plinker, and 5.6 gr of Bullseye under a 148 gr wadcutter (~815 fps, 4" bbl, probably around 750 fps out of a snub). Bullseye Select A Caliber or Gauge Below To View Recipes. I soon traded off a Colt Frontier Scout .22 LR for an S&W Model 15 and happily chased all manner of small game and landfill targets with my stash of wadcutters. I would say I completely disagree with you on ever even contemplating using a revolver for self defense unless you are a person that has never owned a gun and not likely ever to practice with it. I can get away with using it as cast w/ alox. Alliant Pistol/Revolver Load Data: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. Left to right:148 gr. A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion. You can't rely on this because not all variables for YOUR cases and chamber and loading length, etc. Note the dark band of lube on the 3 lead bullets. Many people tend to poo-poo .38 Special (standard pressure) for self-defense as being somehow underpowered. load is 4.4 grains for 38 special and 5.0 grains is a +P load. Installed some wood boot grips, modified them with grooves at the bottom of each side panel, similar to those on Pach. So, I'm guessing the pressure curve isn't as severe as some of the faster burners. I have 4 handguns that will shoot .38. Although the .357 cylinders are the same length so they can be timed to a 642. It has been many years since I used a Lee Loader and a wooden mallet to reload 8mm Mauser. They are true classics, and I hope you get as much use out of them! No benchrest, nothing but two shakey hands holding the pistol. One cool load Im working on is two pellets of 000 Buck. Me too! 1.455 in. This Cast Reloading Bullet feeds great in automatics and has excellent accuracy in both the 9mm and 38 Super. I have tested both brass and nickel-plated cases using mild loadings and have not yet worn out a case. A cold header, at their basic level, are multi ton power presses laying down on their side. The least is usually supplied as a large cylindrical billet weighing several hundred pounds. We've got some great loads for 158 coated and plated semi wadcutters, and we're trying something new. WST for .38 special 125 gr plated bullets, Re: WST for .38 special 125 gr plated bullets. I just bought some 158 gr SWC bullets that are pure lead. 4.2 gr. Testing out some bullseye with 125 berry's bullets.. Therefore, your platform yields a lot of safety cushion with target loads. The 125 Hornady XTP, a jacketed hollow point bullet that can easily handle 1500 fps velocities. Min Charge Max Charge Optimal Charge Bullet Make Bullet Type Primer Notes; Hodgdon - 700-X: 125 gr. 8.) I once rented a Ruger LCR in .38 Special. That's usually +P power level in .38 Special. Loads for .38 S&W: This short, little cartridge has been around since the 1870's and was most common in the "break-top" models. On my J frame S&W without the CT #305 Laser Grips, I swapped out to a Hoque set. In a day you can make over 100,000 bullets. 6.) In the 1950s, 60s. ), I very much wanted to start with some tried-and-true Bullseye loads, but it took an epic scavenger hunt across many months to find a canister of the elusive classic. So I'd think you should find a decent load for short line at about 700 Fps and for the long line at about 800. At 25 you can get away with a lighter load. My Lyman 49th has data for 125 gr JHP and 120 gr LRN. In 38/357 they don't list 105 gr bullets, but the do list 90's and 125's. Easy enough to extrapolate for a 105 grain . Like both the .38 and the .44 spl. (Patrick Sweeney photo) September 15, 2021 By Michelle Hamilton, Field Editor. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Lord only knows how many cartridge cases I hammered with a plastic mallet into that Lee, it had to be thousands. But I found 2.4 and 2.7 interesting at 25 yards off the sandbags. Powered by Invision Community, 125 grain plated flat point in 38 Special. Your experience is definitely motivation for me to give my J-frame more range time! 38 special was also my first cartridge to reload, and one of my greatest loves for reloading to this day. Now theres an old memory. I'm planning to use Alliant's Unique powder to reload with 125 grain flat point jacketed bullets from Berry's and Winchester small pistol primers. I will start ouy at the minimum velocity then. Really interested in getting the. I realized that I had hit a very special count for a very special cartridge: 20,000 rounds of .38 Special. Nothing, they dont need any. I get okay accuracy with 4.4 of W-W 231 and 125s, depending on what bullet is used. A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:00 am, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:36 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:46 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:45 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:50 pm. It is always higher when powder is next to primer. In terms of thousands of rounds of range practice, though, that is a definite no-go in my book. You may find it will need to be faster for good 50 yd. I've tried 2.8, 3.0, and 3.2. Ethan Johns is a military professional with worldwide experience in specialized units. Between that, some other info on other forums, Winchester's data for a lead flat point, and numbers from loaddata.com, I think I have some to start with. Id pay at least a dollar to see it. I do this for my .357s but this article is about .38 Special loads. Only need cast when driving up to 1200 fps or so. It's given me good results in the 2, 3 and 4 inch barreled. Hodgdons Clays, International, Universal and HP38 are good choices. The beauty of shooting a .38 is that you can easily practice at the ranges you'd fight at using basically any cheap bullet at minimal expense. Ive saved all my .38 brass over the last couple of years for whenever I find time to get into reloading. As I researched loads in the meantime, I kept seeing the same several popping up again and again in sources from as recent as yesterday to long out of print books from when air travel was a newfangled wonder. Good shootin! Posted March 19, 2015. IIRC, the NRA Action Pistol power floor is a "factor" of 125, which requires a full 1,000 fps for 125-gr bullets. (Or so I have heard.). Interesting. I have the shrouded hammer version, the 638, and have been wary of training much with it because of its aluminum frame. Horrible 5-12" groups at 25 yds. The mention of a Lee Loader somewhere above took me back to the good-old days. I stopped handloading around 1985, so Im not certain how much technology has changed in that area, but in general it sounds like our experiences are similar. For 3 that actually doesnt kick too badly. Required fields are marked *. Load cut these cards at five yards out of this Model 15. . Its the only gun that has appreciated in value (as long as you ignore inflation). The SP101 is far more comfortable to shoot but not so much fun to carry. 32 S&W Long 15,000 38 spl.s. Most people have one general power level for their semi-autos due to the fact that the guns wont function with ammo thats not energetic enough to cycle the slide. Powder Bul Weight C.O.L. I've tried Berry's plated as well as Remington. Rookie, back in the day when I was reloading I went through a 3 round butt L. Horton special model 24, a 4 24 and a 4 624. Ive played with several that I like, but the classic in 9mm is 4.4 grains driving a 115-grain jacketed bullet. each bullet is different for oal due to a crimp groove on most. Would you like to react to this message? Display as a link instead, Ask your Dealer, or call Hodgdon), has a Cowboy Load section, (near the center fold), that lists data for about all SASS calibers. When you say "not working" can you be more specific? So I expect recoil would be substantial and not very target-ish. I tried 10 shots of each: 2.2, 2.4, 2.5, 2.7. Bullseye is a little smoky, a lot sooty, and has a distinct odor. There are many fun uses for buckshot. I carry my M642 extensively, but I only shoot it occasionally because it is a snappy little b!tch with standard loads. RN, 158 gr. 750-850fps. I always used mixed brass because it was all I had. BTW, I wish I had any one of those three revolvers today. .38 Special (Using Hornady Bullets) reloading data with 353 loads. 4.) Im not recommending that you carry the Bullseye load, but dont feel as if you are going to tactical purgatory for enjoying this load, either. (See note on Powders below or read all about various Powders.). It would seem that a 125 grain GDHP is of the same weight and would have a similar profile to what you want to use. I don't know what bullets you have, but Berry's recommends per their website to use hard cast data for their plated bullets. JHP, (WC= WadCutter, SWC= Semi-WadCutter, HP= Hollow Point, RN= Round Nose), (JHP= Jacketed Hollow Point and if GC indicated, means Gas Check at bottom of lead bullet). Im also impressed by the apparent durability of your Airweight J-frame. Jacketed bullets are not legal for Distinguished Revolver. People who prepare usually tend to focus on the survival basics: security/self-defense, water, food, first aid, sanitation/hygiene, knowing when to get out and when to stay put. I'm going to start with 3.8 grains. You have entered an incorrect email address! Reloading .44 Spl. swatmag.com is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. Bullseye, Unique and 2400 are products of Alliant (formerly Hercules) Powders. The floor does not apply for PPC, or the equivalent match for Action Pistol. 4.0 gr. September 2015 S.W.A.T. I'm seating to what's in my loading manual. Your email address will not be published. Most double end wad cutters are 148 grain, and DR bullets must be 158 grain. Alliant listed 3.6 gr Bullseye as maximum (15000 psi) in 38 Special and 3.8 as max in 38 Special PLUS P (17000 psi) with 158 LSWC bullets. Thx so it seems like for the long line I need to get some sagged bullets. Ive probably picked up 300 cases of .38 the past few months and will continue to grab them as I see them, but whats nice is I can shoot more and put that money towards brass for .32 or .45 Colt, stuff that I never see at the range. .38 brass isnt as common as 9, .40, or .45 brass at the range, but of all the revolver brass you can find its the most plentiful. The Pistol a Smith and Wesson model 27-2 The goal is two fold. I went from 2.7to 4.0 gr and nothing to speak of. I'm not looking to blow up my old model 10. If I do carry a revolver its my 642 with a laser grip in my right front pocket or my SW model 69 5 shot 44 mag. Hi. Cartridge : .38 Special (SAAMI)Bullet : .357, 125, FP Rainier Useable Case Capaci: 20.320 grain H2O = 1.319 cm Cartridge O.A.L. A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion, I'm looking for an accurate load using 125gr bullets. You gotta try the S&W M342 Airlight TI. Reading the "WARNING" on the site, it states to not exceed the loads published and to start 10% below the loads shown and work up from there. hard cast LSWC's as a target load. .38 Special (Alliant Data) Warning! 2, No. Many of these men had no real experience with the handgun, and we had but a few weeks to get them up to very high standards that most shooters will never reach. Bullseye is one of the oldest smokeless pistol powders and still one of the most popular. The 38 Special, practically snubnose 38 Specials, seem to do their best work with bullets right around the 155-160 grain range. Great to get the Mrs out there! With all the loads available, you can surely find one within recoil tolerance. I used to reload .38s and .357s with 158 grain LSWC bullets over 4.3 and 6.5 grains of Unique. That sounds. IMR 3031 and IMR 4895 are products of IMR (formerly DuPont) Powder Company. Interesting. On 7/4/2018 at 11:57 AM, Bill Sahlberg said: There is nothing more accurate at PPC than 148 gr8 HBWC (lead) using 2.8 gr of 231 and a tight crimp with Starline 38 Special brass & a Federal Small pistol primer. A bullet with a copper gas check or copper plating is best for INDOOR ranges to keep lead vapors out of the air. I'm still hunting for a DR load for my S&W M19-5. These are the bullets I bought: 158 gr from Roze dist. SWC, 160 gr. If you have the means, I highly recommend you trying one out. I load rounds for my wife to shoot @ Win 231 4.0 to 4.3 gr. less to start.) But this piece isnt about the gun, but rather the cartridge. Shoots well in my K-38, 686, and a friend's K-38 at 50 yards in the Ransom rest. . Just dont shoot a rabbit with this load if you want to be able to eat any of it. Damn. This produces about 550-650fps from a 1 7/8 barrel and feels like shooting a very powerful .22LR. Also some WSF. I haven't used any of those powders but I like faster powders in 38 Special like Titegroup and Clays. As for the load ya the 158gr will probably take a little more, but your gun will tell you how much more.. Disclaimer, I own or owned all the super calibers out there except the casull, theyre all fun and quite useful in some scenarios, but dont discount the old timer. I completely understand the respect for the performance of the 327 Fed, but not being a big fan of the 357 Mag (or 38 SPL plus P for that matter) I havent been drawn to the 327. IF YOU ARE USING SWAGED 158GR BULLETS 3.1 WILL WORK, IF USING HARD CAST 3.3 IS NEEDED. VV N320, N330 and N340 are products of VihtaVouri Oy Company Alliant listed 3.6 gr Bullseye as maximum (15000 psi) in 38 Special and 3.8 as max in 38 Special PLUS P (17000 psi) with 158 LSWC bullets. Even slower powders may provide more consistent speeds and will be tested in the future (No. Forget about it. Many reloading manuals also list an estimated pressure with a given load. Power Pistol won't work for me. The 919 case is tapered and therefore wider at the base than the .38 special is. .38 Special +P (Alliant Reloaders Guide) Warning! Winchester 231 is between Bullseye and Unique for the .38 special (see my personal load above). The only reason that my standard (everyday carry) self-defense handgun is not a .38 Special revolver is because I can conceal a semi-auto better (it isnt as fat as the cylinder on a revolver) and my semi-auto has 15 rounds of hard-hitting 180 grain bullets. The 4.0 grain load is relatively mild recoil and was accurate. If you can follow simple instructions, you can safely load this cartridge. +P? Youd just be risking ALOT firing it in a .38 framed revolver. I miss those days. In a 1909 vintage Smith & Wesson target .38, the 2.7-grain load cut a nearly one-inch cluster, showing that classics go well together. Upload or insert images from URL. Magtech Sport Shooting, 38 Special, 125 Grain, Full Metal Jacket, Flat, 50 Round Box 38Q That little 9 oz. Winchesters 231 or WSL are also good powders for the .38 special. Ive done the majority of shooting in .38 Special in my Smith & Wesson 642. 357 LCR in 3 inch variant. The stuff you learn shooting 20,000 reloads (on top of thousands of rounds of factory ammo) can be pretty interesting and I feel that Ive got a very good picture of what the .38 Special. WST seems like such a good powder in .45 ACP that I thought I might try it. Bullseye is the classic pistol powder and the backbone of many pet loads. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - 5.0 gr unique with berry's 125gr = .38 Special squibs (solved ! My other son fired one shot and handed it back. But I think I was still loading the cases from that first box when I quit loading 18 years later! YouTube has plenty of reloading channels or the Reloaders Network webpage has more info as well. Recoil is the good kind that reminds the shooter handguns are serious tools but without eliciting a flinch. Depending on the drill, 200-grain .45s let shooter push faster or use available time to shoot better, with significantly less recoil than hardball. My personal loads for practice replicate my carry. When you could leave city limits and just about every dirt mound in sight, was a plinking range. I make a habit of counting the number of reloads I make by keeping a tally of primer and bullet boxes.

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